In the first of our Recovery Voices series, Huseyin Djemil talks to David Clark about Towards Recovery, a recovery community he developed in Henley-on-Thames in the UK. He also describes some of his work as a freelance consultant in the addiction field, and reflects on various themes related to recovery and treatment. Huseyin is in long-term recovery from an addiction to Class A drugs. Recovery Voices is a new initiative being developed by David and Wulf Livingston of North Wales. (15 films, 88 mins 57 secs) [Eight films from a second interview can be found here.]
1. Personal Introduction [5’25”]
Huseyin Djemil is in long-term recovery from an addiction to Class A drugs. He is a freelance consultant in the addiction field who has often been commissioned to help charities working in the treatment system to overcome their problems. He also runs Towards Recovery, a recovery community in Henley-on-Thames, UK. Huseyin has previously worked for government in the prison system, and in various capacities within the addiction treatment system. This is the first of 15 film clips from an initial interview with David Clark. 25 March 2023.
2. Setting Up Towards Recovery [7’33”]
Huseyin describes how he first set up Towards Recovery in 2012, starting out by renting a church coffee shop for monthly evening gatherings. He and his colleagues wanted to make recovery visible, letting people see ‘it’ and decide whether they wanted to connect to it. They also organised a few conferences, with notable speakers from around the country, and various event nights. A key aim was to show that people in recovery are assets. They are people who have walked through deep water, come out the other side, and are now helping others who have problems in their lives. 25 March 2023.
3. Towards Recovery Moving Forward [3’37″]
In 2017, Towards Recovery became a Community Interest Company (CIC). Volunteers make cakes and savouries, and work on Recovery Cafe evenings. Huseyin describes how Towards Recovery moved their ‘cafe’ evenings online, using Zoom, when Covid made its appearance. He also briefly describes two of the recovery community’s educational initiatives, Three Degrees of Change and The School of Unlearning. The latter was developed with financial support from the Big Lottery Fund. 25 March 2023.
4. What Towards Recovery is About [8’55″]
Huseyin emphasises that Towards Recovery is about bringing people together. Members are meeting people who have experienced similar problems to their own, and have overcome them. There is a good deal of empathy in the community. People connect within the cafe, and via other activities, e.g. WhatsApp, or on Strava (which connects people through their sporting activities). David asks what he would experience if he turned up to the cafe in Henley. Huseyin also explains what happens with the online gatherings. Towards Recovery is NOT treatment. 25 March 2023.
5. Attending our Recovery Cafe [4’44″]
Huseyin provides examples of what happened to some of the people who came for help at Toward Recovery’s Cafe. 25 March 2023.
6. What’s the Magic at Towards Recovery? [6’26”]
Huseyin says the magic at Towards Recovery is the connection. Members of Towards Recovery have connectedness and a shared sense of purpose. They support other people’s autonomy and agency. It’s about ‘… being visible, being connected, having a relationship.’ 25 March 2023.
7. Spider-Man & Batman [2’17″]
Huseyin talks about how Andy Partington, in his new book ‘Hope in Addiction’, emphasises the distinction in the way that Spider-Man and Batman accomplish their feats. He discusses this distinction in relation to the nature of recovery. The real deal in recovery is being bitten by the spider and having that internal transformation (like Spider-Man) that makes you look at everything differently. Huseyin had that transformation occur when he was in a rehab. He then ended up having all of Batman’s tools and skills as well, which further facilitated his recovery. 25 March 2023.
8. Being Visible [5’44″]
The people who gave Huseyin a job in the prison service knew of his past addiction, but it was something that he was actively discouraged from talking about. His past was considered a weakness. In contrast, Huseyin saw his past as a huge positive. At one stage, he worked for a rehab which helped residents put together a cover story, so that when they entered the outside world they wouldn’t have to disclose their past. He believes this approach is wrong—it buys into the stigma. Personally, he wants to be visible, and he is comfortable with that desire. 25 March 2023.
9. Being Heard [6’27”]
Huseyin describes a project he had previously commissioned that involved giving homeless people in Aylesbury cameras to record their experiences on the street. The project participants were given the option of being anonymous when the project report was prepared. They didn’t want to be anonymous; they wanted their voices to be heard. Huseyin also describes the Aylesbury Council’s response to this project, as well as a local project for the homeless set up by a local woman. 25 March 2023.
10. Secret Shoppers [4’44″]
During his commissioning days, Huseyin set up a ‘Secret Shopper’ project, as he was not convinced that what he and his colleagues were being told by a contracted service provider was actually the reality. Ex-service users were trained to play a number of different roles and told to take various actions with the service. The service provider was informed that Secret Shoppers would be visiting them. The service was provided with a copy of the final report. Huseyin describes some of the experiences of the Secret Shoppers. 25 March 2023.
11. Demoralisation in a Treatment Service [9’51″]
Huseyin provided a one-day training course on opiates for practitioners of a well-known treatment provider. He finished his presentation slides by lunchtime. He wondered what was he going to do for the rest of the day? He discovered that there were no opiate groups for clients, despite the fact that 51% of them were opiate users. When he started to discuss this matter with practitioners in the afternoon, he was told that the clients didn’t want anything other than methadone. Huseyin explored with the practitioners in an innovative way whether this was actually the case. He came up with some interesting findings. 25 March 2023.
12. Talking About Change [4’31″]
Towards Recovery’s ‘3 degrees of change’ course helps people with a problem to make a small (3 degree change) that can have a big impact over time. Huseyin describes a ‘3 degrees of change’ course he gave at a YMCA, along with the responses of a young lady whose parents did not like her working at the YMCA, where she had at one time been a client. 25 March 2023.
13. From Recovery to Methadone [9’47”]
David asks how Huseyin feels about some people in the field saying, ‘Recovery kills.’ Huseyin tells a relevant story about the prison service. After joining the service, Huseyin was in charge of seven London prisons. The detoxes for prisoners were done very badly when he began his job. After control was moved to Primary Care Trusts, the detoxes were done very much better clinically. However, the government brought in an Integrated Drug Treatment System (IDYTS) which involved creating an equivalence of care between the prison service and community. Methadone maintenance became more the norm, rather than clinical detoxes. After Huseyin left the prison service, prisoners who had detoxed after being addicted to opiates were encouraged to go on methadone before being released into the community. They were told: ‘They could die out there’. 25 March 2023.
14. Letting Recovery In [6’37″]
Huseyin describes how the Quing Recovery Community on the Isle of Man, with which he had collaborated, found great resistance to their recovery-oriented approach from local treatment professionals. Recovery was not accepted by the system. Huseyin explains that this is one problem that recovery communities can face, along with a lack of funding. However, recovery communities can provide real value for money, as evidenced by Towards Recovery. He also emphasises that just small initial changes in the system can lead to recovery flourishing over time in a community. 25 March 2023.
15. Until the Lion Learns To Write [2’19″]
Huseyin believes there is the opportunity for the treatment system to innovate, just by involving people recovering from addiction. This is happening to some extent, but the treatment system often treats recovering people as their assets. ‘So they get kind of wheeled out… look how wonderful our systems, processes and outcomes are, give us more money, give us that contract.’ Huseyin mentions the proverb, ‘Until the lion learns to write, all the stories will be from the hunters’ perspective.’ The present sorts of video and the recovery-related content on Recovery Stories are ‘the lion learning to write’. 25 March 2023.
